Great interview, Dawn. Sigh all you like, but thats not going to magically make physics and biology work differently. 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Shes fantastic and looks fantastic doing it! When Mary Wisemans Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. If there had been a believable logical progression from Cadet Tilly in season 1 to Starfleet Academy instructor in season 4, where they had built up the character to where she shed bits and pieces of the awkwardness as she became more confident in her abilities. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. As long as Wesley Crusher exists she will always be in a race for that title. Sick and tired of T and A being the main focus. After they wrote her to be the most annoying person possible. Events in David Macks two books towards the end of that series ( A Time to Kill and A Time to Heal) have a profound impact throughout the rest of the Litverse. This post (handouts bad habits yada yada yada) is your latest misogny, homophobia and white supremacy , and I am sick and tired of it. He also has emotional intelligence. Make better choices. Development for the fifth season of Discovery is well underway, with production expected to begin in June. If you read what Mary and Sonequa are saying, they arent promoting any particular body style or fitness choice, just that they are as they are and only they have the right to choose how that should be. You made very good points and I do agree. And if people are critical of her because her appearance does not meet their expectations, they dont really have a clue of what Star Trek is all about. Sense of morals. How blandly Puritan. Well, Renos really more engineering. Contents 1 Early life 2 Starfleet career 2.1 USS Discovery 2.1.1 The war 2.1.2 Post-war 2.1.3 32nd century 3 Personal relationships 3.1 Friendships I just wonder if maybe they are adapting the basic idea to what we are seeing in Prodigy since the Protostar couldve been part of the Full Circle program and was sent back to the DQ for a specific mission? But I did not watch DIS S4 either. I read somewhere that Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis had somewhere in their contract a stipulation that they had to fit into their costumes. advantage. Basically a good officer whos been in Starfleet for some years but her career stalled due to emotional and self-esteem issues. Miss Wiseman F those fake Trekkies/Treksters keep acting your ass off. You always come up with weird posts VS this one is weirder than usual Im afraid to say. Should the nice girl get off your lawn? I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is. All those wonderful things that dont make you a good human being. With predictive spelling and multiple languages available, incorrect word choice is a constant threat even when one does type in the correct word. Im glad we are finally seeing it. I will have to go check it out. I have nothing against Mary Wiseman. Its one thing thats definitely been improved upon by the more recent stuff. Discovery may have just said goodbye to one of its crew, but don't worry: She'll be back. But I would like to read some of the TNG books Ive heard about, especially the Destiny series which I know is a big crossover with all the classic shows and the Borg. In every real-life Trekkie community Im a part of, as well as most online, shes loved. Any accent would be acceptable for a time that hasnt happened yet. There is also the issue that a crew needing constant therapy sessions while regularly saving the galaxy is not an easy narrative trick to pull off. Mary Wiseman is a beautiful lady as is Sonequa Martin-Green. I look at Disco as adding a new flavor to the existing universe. KevinB: I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is.. Ive never liked Tilly. DSC has a wonderful cast and a neat diverse set of characters. Imo, this show tries so overly hard to be socially progressive, its the very thing that makes it a turn-off. My condolences to you, for your mum. Look at the progression of Nog on DS9 from Quarks juvenile-delinquent nephew in season 1 to Starfleet Ensign in the Dominion War on how writers can make you believe in a characters growth and progression. Unity? She hasnt mentored anyone except in one episode. Her empathic abilities work via viewscreens? You know what, fvck you, Vulcan Soul. Yes but Star Trek shouldnt be about lazy writing, poor character development and bad storytelling. Makes sense. Tilly is not a perfect officer. For me I love how it deals with social logic as well as technology. I think the CW has been using something like this for years. Do you see that tension? Fitness may be in the eye of the beholder, as hes commented himself that contempories his age have to hit the head just a bit more often. By indicating that shes not ashamed of her body? No one can argue that Shatner is anything less than fit at whatever age. Mary Wiseman: Right, when you use empathy for evil, its manipulation. Theres a little Harley Quinn. Why does the therapist appear to outrank the CMO? New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. Has Tilly body-shaming outside of the Twitter imbeciles been a thing? (But then she has always reminded me, her looks and bubbliness, of my cousin who just so happens to be a wonderful teacher. Anyway, another Discovery-ism, amongst the many other weird decisions on this show. He was non-military, the same height as me, and easily weighed 300#. I think Mary is doing a fantastic job as isSonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. You either think about what you can contribute to society or how society owes you handouts, respect for above-mentioned bad habits, fictitious pronouns even. Im sorry I can sugarcoat it. It took me 3 seasons just to remember all their names. The frequency and level of mockery and hate, very often is targeted to the female actors, for them to behave like women, to behave as woman leaders. I saw someone just last month asking on a Facebook fanpage if Starfleet had some kind of physical fitness standard and if so, shes violating it, ect.the same old idiotic abusive misogyny disguised as genuine concern. Overweight and obesity are not a matter of looks or body shape, and those who feel free to body-shame are off-side and frequently unkind. As I said Tilly has the same issues. You had a variety of body shapes on discovery Tilly was thick. Mary Wiseman as Captain Killy in Terra Firma, Part 2. I originally was skeptical but then I turned around in season 1 and really started enjoying it. Gotta side with Sascha here. I truly do love this show, but Burnham and Tilly are so damn annoying. Tilly (Mary Wiseman) leads the stranded Starfleet cadets to safety. Youre perfect as you are. My lady, you are so fine that I want to have your baby. lol ;). Ive seen fan-fics with better characters than this. His Voyager appearances were also horrid. What is wrong, pretty bad to read, is fans mocking the actors, it is actually very sexist, not cool. I think the ship can handle a little chonk. In fact, at least on this website, I often see the contrary. That was why she was never in uniform the first few seasons. I did, though. Andrew: Great, perceptive, thoughtful post! It just really doesnt fit in this show however. Troi made explicit the evil intent lies we tell each other and ourselves to gain selfish material and political advantage. No spoilers in case I ever decide to actually the write the thing, but youd love it as a DS9 fan. The episode, titled "All Is Possible,". Like her prime universe counterpart, Tilly was portrayed by Mary Wiseman.. Tilly was presumably killed when the Discovery was destroyed in the prime universe.. Apocrypha. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Shaming is one thing. Except that would imply that her being there was the exception rather than the rule. Mary Wiseman: I wish there maybe in the future theres room for some protective best friend/boyfriend energy. In fact, it says far more about the body-shamers than it does about those being body-shamed. Ive read plenty of well-deserved criticism of the writing but to my knowledge, there has been no widespread criticism of STD acting or physical appearances. They seemed to only be limited by what that particular script called for that week. It feels too 21st century specific as does Tillys. GD, what shoes is David wearing in those pics? We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Why wouldnt someone want to be more like that? I wasnt complaining there were therapists on board. What do you think it looks like? It was the fall of 2017 and my non-Trekkie wife, Lisa, had begrudgingly agreed to watch Star Trek: Discovery with me, having heard me talk nonstop about how excited I was for Trek's return to TV.We were on the third episode, "Context is for Kings," when she appeared. In fact now I think of it, Book aside everyone has an American accent. So many jerks in this world, its good to see decent people. I would encourage her to do the same. Its very possible Mary Wiseman wanted off the show, or needed a bit of a break. Therefore, I love her. Wiseman possess voluptuous hourglass shaped figure. They should all try for the standards of randos on the internet like you Episodes will be. And Kirsten Beyer probably consults on that show too along with her duties on Picard and Discovery, so its possible at least. Some folks here like this nu trek because it lowered standards to make them feel better about themselves. But the characters are pitch perfect. I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. Mary Wiseman said in an interview after her departing episode that she'd be back before the end of the season. Whether you choose to believe it or not, youre actually part of the problem. I think you are talking jibberish. A statistical average does not justify shaming or ridiculing anyone. David Ajala: What about Grudge in the mirror universe? And it was mentioned in one of the episodes of the first season, I dont remember whichwould have to research, that councilors on Galaxy class ships due to the fact that families were on the ship and it was meant for longer than 5 year missions. However, with the successive changes in show runners the coherence of Burnhams development has been lost. Absolutely. Yeah, self absorbed is an excellent way to describe her character, Id never thought of it that way. Way too many issues. I really liked her in the first season. He has been part of the Litverse writers room run by Pocket Books and knows not only Beyers works but the books written by others in great detail, and across all eras. I know Gene Rodenberry never wanted Starfleet to be portrayed as a military outfit, but this has gone so far in the opposite direction that its being run like a pre-school participation awards ceremony. By: TrekMovie.com Staff She is full of self doubt, guilt, and anxiety, yet she doesnt quit. Hahahaha! Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. And another way to look at it: at least its not another hour of tv taken by a reality show, right? You two are Michaels boyfriend and best friend, so does Michael becoming captain create any new tension in season four? Please dont ban me!). Her character Tilly is not my favorite on the show but body shaming is a shameful act by itself. The door is open, I suppose, if that show should fail for some reason, but I doubt theyll just throw her back into the same role on the ship like nothing ever happened. Han Van Sciver and Mary Wiseman in At the Wedding (Photo: Marc J. Franklin), Watch Wiseman and cast and crew talk about the season four finale. Release date: Star Trek Discovery season 4 will release on November 18 in the US. Ichebs torture on Picard was horrible and the eating ganglia in S1, yikes! Just grow up and ignore the random internet comments you are elevating the drama of this internet troll thing by talking about it. Its all pretty subjective. They have solved some of these issues the easy way by talking themselves out of it (Klingon hair, holograms, Ariam being no android at all), now that we are in the future none of it really matters anymore. Tilly got fat, that is inexcusable. 89. How is she supposed to sound considering nobody knows what people in the 23rd century will talk like? Saying that its the job of actors to tell people whats healthy and whats not is the problem, not a solution. Its a tricky one, as someone who is outside America and didnt have English as the first language growing up its more noticeable. Even though he is one of the worst characters in Trek, he was the main focus in arguably the best episode of Voyager: Timeless. The message she is sending how? The ships shrink should not be a Command level position and in fact would make sense to be on the CMOs staff. We want people to get their facts from reliable health sources, not celebrities, so saying actors should be sending some sort of fitness message is just backwards. I dont read the same type of criticism for their male actors. Her body shape is fabulousshe is gorgeous. My point was Why does the ships therapist have a bridge station? No one can be expected to sugarcoat reality for you, and your attitude to people who dont is very indicative that you need someone to help you with that. Shes changed. You cant be a Star Trek fan and also be a racist or a body shamer. If anything is being celebrated, or, at the very least, encouraged, its simple human decency and not judging people by physical attributes alone. You can start with those or the later books in the Time to sequence without significant confusion. I feel bad saying this but Ive never a read a Star Trek novel in my life lol. We never saw her effort to become that person. Personally I would put Barclay and Trois Mom in that group too, but not sure recurring characters belong with regulars in this race. Only showing up for briefings when that specialty was needed for that particular situation. But the show almost seems to go out of its way every season for some of the dumbest story points you can think of. Maybe having had to step up to the plate before she was ready I think she intellectually knows that she didnt fail, and that its not her fault that Osyraa took the ship, she didnt have all the information, but I still think the fact that that she took command and somehow lost the ship would be an enormous blow to her confidence and make her question a lot of stuff. Season four of Star Trek: Discovery arrives on Thursday, November 18 on Paramount+.