Jarrell fell victim to one of the worst tornados that has hit the United States ever. @Brian1946 Ill never forget one memorial night.husband was out of town. A Wendy's fast-food restaurant and a video store nearby also sustained heavy damage. The Jarrell tornado traveled for 7.6 miles and was 3/4 of a mile wide at one point, according to the NOAA. You won't find it online (thankfully) but he gives it periodically at emergency management / disaster medicine conferences. Jarrell lies about 100 miles south of what is known as "Tornado Alley," the region from Waco northward to Dallas and on to Oklahoma and Kansas where springtime tornadoes are most likely to occur. Drew Terril Staff member Feb 18, 2015 578 360 11 Initially, authorities said the. I got all my pictures and stuff into our nasty, unfinished, dirt floor cellar, then sat at the top of the stairs trying to tell my husband what was happening. the only real comparison to this tornado i have is Joplin, and thats due to the extreme destruction it caused to the area. im courious to hear what you find to be correct or not , all i know is a lot of the may 3 1999 facts i found only came out in public in may 2021. You wouldnt know it until you see the debris flying around. At daybreak, up to 150 rescue workers began slogging through fields with water up to knee-deep to look for body parts or survivors around Jarrell. I later came to find that the music store where I started was just at the outer edge of the southern side of the path of destruction, there were several casualties at the mall less than a block away. Several very large live oak trees in Stacy Park were uprooted. Johnson had raced to his son's job at a feed mill after the two were cut off while talking on the phone just before the tornado hit. JARRELL, Texas Authorities ended the search Thursday for 23 people who had been unaccounted for after a devastating tornado, concluding that those considered missing had turned up alive or. I am just curious about morbid subjects such as this one. SHARE. This is unbelievable. Wow! Link, This is also from the BOM about the incidence of Tornadoes in Australia and their severity. They all made it home ahead of the tornado, and it cost them their lives. As of this morning, four bodies had been identified: teenage brothers John and Michael Ruiz; Ryan Fillmore, believed to be 5; and his 44-year-old grandmother, Emma Jean Mullins, were the only names confirmed as of late yesterday. #1. This tornado was horrific, for sure, but I don't think "strongest" is likely. On May 27, 1997, multiple tornadoes swept through Williamson and Travis counties in central Texas. Deputy Constable Priscilla Smith said police found one woman holding a child wrapped in a blanket. It was the most awful day of my career, Spencer said in a January 2021 interview. Somehow it seems even more amazing to see such a narrow vortex sustain itself for so long as compared to a larger one You might want to read this paper on the Jarrell event: I think Stephen was making the point that this tornado exhibited very odd behaviour. The horrific side of life when caught by a tornado. Cyclones arent small. Another jelly who also lives in tornado alley (jonsblond?) I think F5 level wind might be able to cause aerodynamic impact injuries to a stationary organism. Entire families were turned into dust. I never heard him that terrified. This tornado had the strongest winds on the planet. this tornado is the classic definition of a "dead man walking" tornado, and still gives me shivers watching the videos of it. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. It took the grass, the vegetation, the topsoil, scoured the dirt, sucked the copper pipes out of the ground and took chunks of foundation with it, depositing everything in the trees as it moved southwest and dissipated. "The house was totally demolished," Johnson said, recalling how the entire family would sing at his church. Carolyn Brewer's "Caught in the Path", about the 1957 Ruskin Heights, MO tornado, and Mark Levine's "F5", about the April 3, 1974 outbreak and specifically Limestone County, AL, both document a wide array of non-fatal injuries. http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/1520-0434(2002)017<0343:TRDAII>2.0.CO;2. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/10/joplin-tornado-health-fungus_n_874806.html? Nothing left to identify. He went on to say that at one point, he saw a dew point reading of 82 degrees. @Dutchess_III Whenever sever weather strikes I prepare for the worst. !..and it usually turns out to be nothing. This was before forums and I think was more of a discussion among websites and chatrooms of the day (yahoo messenger maybe). It is believed that the car was sand blasted into nothingness, and only the heavy cast iron core of the engine was able to survive long enough to get hammered deep into the ground. The poor guy had several semi-spherical indentations in the top-front area of his head. The closest disturbance was in Nebraska, so that did not play a role. The F5 tornado that struck the town of Jarrell, Texas killed 27 people out of 1319 residents. Right. We were living in a townhouse complex on the other side of the Colorado River, which runs through downtown Austin. Do you remember this day? They found neither. (AP Photo/Jerry Hoeffer), A subdivision in Jarrell is left with only the slab foundations of homes. On May 27, 1997, residents of the town in northern Williamson County braced for projected gusts of . I stepped out on the back deck, looked to the west and HOLY SHIT!! This was a factor in the insane damage the tornado caused 97 Selfconscioustheater 1 yr. ago It seems that would require an appropriately composed intervening physical object for that to happen. We went to see the aftermath a few months after it happened. We were on the west side of this tornado with a gorgeous white tornado with a rainbow. Another tornado in Jarrell on May 17, 1989 . So, the best that can be done is give a warning if a tornado is spotted in a given area (that area being fairly large relative to the size of the tornado). The death toll from Tuesday's tornado was placed at 28. said the same thing. The horrific side of life when caught by a tornado. Like I said, that was just an F1. An F3 landed about 4 miles from my house, in February, 1983. Even if the warning sounds in your area the chances your house will be the one hit are about the same as the chances that you personally will be struck by lightning in the next passing thunder storm. I can understand why you chased it down. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The electricity didnt come on until 3 a.m. It's totally wiped clean . The Jarrell tornado had another unique identifier, it actually reversed course at one time- moving 'backward'. Jarrells population has exploded in the past few years as Austin becomes more expensive. The Storm Prediction Center placed a moderate risk over the area. This video was shot by photojournalist Scott Guest from Austin's KVUE at the time I heard he was on assignment driving to Dallas and stopped when he saw the tornado to film it thus the high film quality for that era. An EF-4 tornado struck seven miles due west of the city. On May 27, 1997, one of the most violent tornadoes in modern U.S. history produced close-to-unfathomable damage on the outskirts of Jarrell, TX, located about 40 miles north-northeast of Austin.. The 1997 tornado outbreak still has meteorologists scratching their heads on how it all played out and what we learned from it. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Privacy Policy. This tornado was fascinating and terrifying to watch. Excellent find! Thankfully the person in charge had doubts and had moved them before the cyclone hit. Maybe controversial, but I think this is the strongest tornado in the history of the United States. George W. Bush visited to survey the damage In 1997, Cedar Park was hit by a tornado from the same system that produced Jarrell's deadly storm It destroyed dozens of homes south of Briarcliff in the. "Not even a hurricane can produce winds. That's extraordinarily high, especially during the morning hours. Tornadoes, hurricanes, cyclones, nasty weather events I think we would all rather not be in amongst! This is Day 5 of having the sirens go off, the sky turning black, and heavy wind and rain. Our brand is First Warning, and we take that seriously.. nearly stationary at points, moving southwest, top speed of like 15 mph, and was one of the strongest tornados of all time. It's backlit so we are looking west, so the movement must be north to south. If an impalement doesn't get you, the infections caused from the mold and other parasites getting into your body via the wind surely would. Like wtf are you supposed to do in that situation? I found this news story that covers tornadoes in Australia. What made this one so bad was how slowly it moved, so much so that it was apparently stationary at times, and the debris it picked up exacerbated that damage. the only real comparison to this tornado i have is Joplin, and thats due to the extreme destruction it caused to the area. Such an unusual storm, setup, and movement. In my years of experience in studying storms the Jarrell tornado is one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, of tornados spawned in the United States. The National Weather Service issued a Tornado Watch around noon that day, with the first tornado touching down at 1:21 p.m. and the last one at 7:23 p.m. That same day, an F3 tornado in Cedar Park and an F4 tornado at Lake Travis also formed and killed two more. AUTHORITIES PLANNED to stop searching for bodies today after concluding that 28 people died in the state's worst tornado in a decade. I was just curious. The tornadoes caused 32 injuries, 29 deaths, and an estimated $20 million in personal and commercial insured losses. And we are just bags of meat. Unusual, yes, but we've known about strong (EF2+) landspouts since 1988 (Denver, Colorado). The Jarrell Tornado has also been called the Dead Man Walking tornado from this image. There he goes again So wind CAN physically hurt you! He said " Quite frankly, I don't see how it can get any worse than that.". Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I'm reminded of a goofy Criminal Minds episode. Tornado Disaster -- Texas, May 1997. When we heard the first ham radio report of the size of the tornado, you could feel a chill take over the news set; we knew we had to keep on keeping on.. I put my boots on. Get the Android Weather app from Google Play, Sign Up for Daily News & Breaking News Newsletters, Sign up for Digging Deep: Inside KXAN Investigates newsletter. Watching it form was just amazingthe clouds are spinning around and around, and spinning faster and tighter..it was like watching a whirlpool in the sky! Ive lost a couple of trees in the past, and fortunately they were not tall enough to fall on the house. hearing of victims being dismembered so horrificly that they were confused as being livestock is what keeps up at night the most. through the Double Creek Estates subdivision in this town 40 miles north of Austin. I have pics to prove. , Get to know our book expert, Ciera Pasturel, PD: Edinburg bus driver arrested after child left, Biden Admin does not want TX lawsuit in Lubbock, Friday Night Lights star choked ex-wife, police, Check out the latest Emmy Award-winning weather lesson. Download it here. The storm devastated the town of Jarrell, north of Austin . The tv never leaves the radar station. Here is more info about cyclones Link, Have a look at these images. Ritter says, It was definitely a life-changing event, but also a career-defining event. it had cleanly removed yards of asphalt from the road. With the frequency of tornadoes, you would think that secure community shelters would be built, but that isnt the case either. So, we all called home, telling our kids to get to shelter, and proceeded to drink our asses off. Some of you probably know by now and some of you probably don't but new video of the Jarrell Texas tornado in its rope stage had surfaced a couple weeks ago. I am not sure what the outcome of that debate was. There is also a video by Dave Demko and Heidi Farrar of El Reno where you see the Dead man walking. I know how dangerous it is to try to outrun it but in a tornado like the one in alabama, I know I would not be safe at all in a closet( no basement obviously). The movie depictions of someone in a tornado (and maybe our own perceptions and confidence in armored vehicles) are a far cry from the realities. It was part of a school field trip. We had several days of onshore wind flow from the Gulf of Mexico, providing ample moisture, hence the dew points in the 80s. This was discussed in the post 1999 Moore Oklahoma tornado event cause of its particularly strong intensity and suburban density. He remembered at the time, KXAN had the only live doppler radar in Austin. It kept pulling open on him. Copyright 2023 Nexstar Media Inc. All rights reserved. We were on the west side of this tornado with a gorgeous white tornado with a rainbow. Its just that this one was so huge and so close I did not even recognize it as a tornado. There had been storms the day before but a ridge was setting up and a very solid cap was in place, saysMatt Ritter, a meteorologist who worked in Waco. @Brian1946 Weve chased them. Tornado, Jarrell, Texas, May 27, 1997 On May 27, 1997, several tornadoes hit the Central Texas area in the counties of McLennan, Bell, Williamson, and Travis. "They were asking people all day yesterday to call the Red Cross and Williamson County authorities if they knew of anybody who turned up," Cox said. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Jarrell fell victim to one of the worst tornados that has hit the United States ever. Yes, in the rather rare occasion when an exceptionally large one hits in the middle of a highly populated area the results are devastating. JARRELL, Texas (KXAN) It's a day the Jarrell community won't forget, even 24 years later. There is no such word. The motion of it in the rope stage is completely insane imo. Yes you did! The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said the entire subdivision of about 38 single-family homes and a few mobile homes were destroyed, along with three businesses. There are several bomb/tornado-shelters in our downtown areas, where a lot of people walk. I heard that they had to use dental records to identify most of the remains., It was very slow moving so what it did hit was obliterated. Dead cattle lay side-by-side, and where the Double Creek Estates once stood, there was nothing. We have willy-willys too which are whirl winds or dust storms. Wodonga, Victoria, Australia. This was whenan F-5 tornado developed and devastated the city of Jarrell, killing 27 people and injuring 12 others. Kind of the same lines of infections killing more people in combat than actual injuries. It was hard to take. When I saw a dead little boy, I had to leave," said Billy Williams. I'm amazed to see such a high quality recording for a 97' tornado. Some of you probably know by now and some of you probably don't but new video of the Jarrell Texas tornado in its rope stage had surfaced a couple weeks ago. First responders told 6 News that they don't know if the damage was caused by a tornado or if by straight line winds. An F5 tornado with winds more than 260 miles per hour destroyed the Double Creek Estates. The other thing was how everyone followed the rules regarding tornado precautions, but ended up dying anyway because this thing was that much of a monster. Its crazy how it can just look like a wicked old cloud and not the classic tornado.It can really throw you off. Boop. If that tornado had gone even 100 yards to the east, it would have killed several hundred people and taken half of Jarrell right off the map. But from a practical standpoint you cant live your life diving into a bunker every time a dark cloud rolls across the sky. The tornado was one of six that struck central Texas in a spring storm also brought torrential rains and baseball-sized hail. A 38-year-old woman was killed along Shoal Creek from flash flooding. I sure hope it surfaces one day! The day Matt's referring to was May 27, 1997. My understanding is a tornado is a twister, a funnel shaped weather event. Several very large live oak trees in Stacy Park were uprooted. You're better off trying to outrun an EF4 or EF5 if it's coming straight for you and you have no underground shelter. How much notice do you get of tornadoes being around though? We were living in a townhouse complex on the other side of the Colorado River, which runs through downtown Austin. . Here's a copy of. 2023, Charter Communications, all rights reserved. I've seen bodies, but that's not the same as seeing those pictures. "That's when I saw the total devastation.". We were in a bar once during a bad storm, a wood building with no basement and no nearby shelter. Is their any truth in what she said? I was a brand spanking new EMT on April 10, 1979 (yeah, I gave away my age!) It was supposed to be a quiet, sunny, and simply hot and humid day. Tornadoes by the look of the report below they dont reach the levels of tornadoes in the US but I still wouldnt want one to head for my house. Homes near the center of its path experienced tornadic winds for about three minutes because the tornado moved so slowly. I ran inside and headed for the basement (the best place to be in our home during a tornado). At coffee breaks, they struggled for words to describe the scene. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. I got so PISSED at him I hung up on him. I was working and he was at home when it happened. but ya jarrell used to be higher on my list , until marion county,bridge creek and brandenburg came in with new info. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Get the best experience and stay connected to your community with our Spectrum News app. total, massive destruction," said Williamson County Constable Gary Griffin. A reprinted article on the Jarrell '97 tornado-"Tornadoes carve a deadly trail The Texas tornado . The storm Tuesday leveled about 50 homes and left telephone poles snapped, bits of clothing hanging from fences and a tractor-trailer upside down in a field. Windows are open so I can clearly hear the sirens. Wow @Pied_Pfeffer. He kept assuring me that they didnt have anything on the news so, basically, I was worrying over nothing. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. and our A lot of chasers refer to these "overgrown" landspouts as "hybrid" tornadoes. Jimmy Bitz, a justice of the peace, slowly confirmed identities throughout the night after comparing pictures and other records to those from relatives of the deceased. It all happened very fast with the first storm around Moody, Texas. In addition, the upper-level winds across the state were weak and streaming from west to east and a strong cap was in place, which inhibits storms from developing. Haven't seen that kind of wounded from a tornado, but I've seen what an IED can do to a person, so I can definitely imagine. Were just wrapping up another tornado warning here in Memphis. We were lucky. That's 'VORTEX'----not 'vortice'. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. In all, about 200 buildings were damaged or destroyed across a four-county area by six twisters. Because it was basically a large blender sitting on same place for long time. The Joplin F5 did the same. Stunned residents covered in mud wandered around in the rain, crying and consoling each other. The most destructive of these tornadoes swept through a housing area on the outskirts of Jarrell, Texas. This storm killed 27 in Jarrell and three in Cedar Park, Texas. Not necessarily days and days, but the BOM will alert people a cyclone has formed. Another major reason I hate chaser convergenceblocking the paths of emergency vehicles trying to get to the injured. Dumb, tornadoes move north or east here. That tornado was wide, slow-moving, rain-wrapped, and tore through a highly populated metropolitan area. You see you can never trust the movies. 9. I would think that most people will be underground or in a safer place if they got ample warning time. the lines show the grouping , meaning they are super close to each other and are likely around the same power. Homes built on slabs, with no basement, are the norm here because of the area's hard limestone bedrock. Does anyone have those? Insurance companies and state agencies worked to assist victims. Unfortunately, there are a fair amount of people who refuse to evacuate when the situation looks really dire and are told to do so. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. The storm showed no mercy, claiming the . After an F-5 tornado hit Jarrell in 1997, then-Gov. The storms began in Bell and McLennan counties, about 60 miles north of Jarrell, about 3:45 p.m. and moved into Williamson County just north of Austin. Thunderstorm winds picked up all the pool furniture and tossed it into the swimming pool in our complex. If Im concerned enough, I just put my shoes on just in case. JARRELL, Texas - Authorities ended the search today for 23 people who had been unaccounted for after a devastating tornado, concluding that those considered missing had turned up alive or were. not to be that guy, but does that mean an above ground storm shelter would have failed here? That's pretty significant and it's by far the deadliest tornado since the advent of Doppler radar and other technologies. Yes, I live in Alabama and volunteer with the relief efforts here. The description is about halfway down: This is one of the most beautiful tornadoes I have ever seen, located near Mulvane, Kansas on June 12, 2004. This particular day, nothing like that was in place. The problem is that they can be almost daily in season, and without proper shelters, it doesnt do much good. The swath of destruction was about a mile long and 200 yards wide, but officials said the heart of town, including the school and other city buildings, was spared. I do not take pleasure in such a scene or find it entertaining. You know those dug out things? Spooky is a good word for it. By the time it passed through Jarrell, Tx. Is that correct? Fragments of human victims were mixed with bits of formerly living livestock. The right image is just as the tornado crossed the road with debris falling from the sky.. A massive EF5 tornado tore through Jarrell, Texas, leaving 27 dead and flattening the small town that sits along Interstate 35 . The sad thing about this unfortunate event is that although we are constantly reminded that you should never try to escape a tornado with your car and instead seek shelter, this tornado was moving so slow that it would have been better to escape in your car than ride it out in a shelter. OUCH!! I myself admit to not being fully knowledgeable on the true extent of injuries caused by tornadoesI mean sure there's the usual stuff you would expect from debris colliding with or falling on those unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place, but I never would have given thought to secondary infections from the dirt being blown around. The Exit: Teachers Leave. When the sirens went off I was at work and decided to head home (gotta understand that sirens go off around there every other day during tornado season so you become a bit desensitized) I saw the storm off to the west, but like I said, thought it was an ugly rain cloud since it was so huge it didnt have that nice little funnel shape. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, Part of the foundation is missing in this photo. I am lucky to have never had to go through one. Houses falling on them and stuff. Jarrell had 27 deaths resulting from this, but there was certainly a notable difference in weather warnings and such for Jarrell, compared to the former tornado that happened in 1925. Tuesday's tornadoes were the state's deadliest since 30 people were killed and 162 injured in the far west Texas town of Saragosa on May 22, 1987. What the hell dude. Show more Show more Moore, OK. No disrespect to the people of Moore, but this was multiple orders of magnitude worse. JARRELL TORNADO RAW 16X9 Scott Guest67 362 subscribers Subscribe 3.4K Share 182K views 3 years ago This is the raw footage as I captured it adapted for 16x9. Feathers from a pillow factory, no, the pillow factory itself yup! The alabama incident was a horrible situation to be in and There was no 100% chance for survival for anyone in it. Youre probably right. We would call them tornadoes I think Brian. I wanted to tell him to just shove it. 1998 - 2023 Nexstar Media Inc. | All Rights Reserved. Link. Its scarier at night, when you cannot visually watch the changes in the weather. "It's a major mess," said Billy Sharp, a ham radio operator. To be fair, the conventional "rules" about seeking shelter in a closet or bathroom aren't much help if the tornado is strong. ), 5:brandenburg 1974 (fast speed made it higher, also just recently got new info for me to put it higher), 6:Marion county 2004 (slow speed made it lower, also just recently got new info for me to put it higher (also just rated F4 but very jarrell like. Get hyperlocal forecasts, radar and weather alerts. JavaScript is disabled. Definitely something I think many of us don't actively consider for one reason or another. Thats how rare it was, Spencer explained. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. If I have time and know a tornado like the one in Alabama is coming my way, I would be ready to get in my truck to outrun it. Right now, the bigger threat is the flooding due to all of the rain and the rising water level of the Mississippi River. Interstate 35, the main north-south freeway in central Texas, was closed around Jarrell. Tornado that hit Jarrell, Texas, on May 27, 1997. Apr 16, 2017. I'm a robot. I hope for the victims it was quick, and I dont mean to sound morbid. Ive never seen anything like the damage done by these recent storms though, thank goodness. It can drive a piece of straw several inches into a tree trunk. (AP Photo/Austin American-Statesman, Ted S. Warren), Destruction in Jarrell. it actually reversed course at one time- moving 'backward'. As coincidence would have it, a tornado just hit Auckland, NZ and two people were killed. Actually it was multiple tornadoes clustered together to make one huge mile wide path of destruction. Heres why your car looks disgusting today, The story of 12 students who integrated ATX schools, How to get to Q2 Stadium for 2023 Austin FC season, PHOTOS: Some of Austins most modern homes, Cities offer free tree, brush disposals post-storm, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. FYI: I didn't take these photos: I was 40 miles away down in Austin when the storm occurred. I was proud of our coverage, but also devastated at the loss of life from this freak, freak tornado. it had cleanly removed yards of asphalt from the road. and our You must log in or register to reply here. But violent storms in April and May are still a given here. No. We were not allowed in some areas until the past 48 hours while National Guard and Rescue Personel removed all body parts. Yeah, I would have assumed so as well, so Im in the Silly Me group with you. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. No, I would say a cyclone is more like a hurricane. Elsewhere in Williamson County, Columbia-St. David's Round Rock Hospital said it had received 14 tornado victims from Cedar Park, most suffering cuts and bruises. Meteorologist Al Dreumont of the National Weather Service said Tuesday's tornado stayed on the ground a particularly long time, as much as 25 to 30 minutes. Of all the textbooks that Ive stolen, why couldnt I have included that one in me booty too? Tuesday's tornado was a force of nature they hoped never to witness again. Hood WSR-88D (KGRK) was not archiving data at that time. However, were talking about something I saw almost 50 years ago. http://articles.latimes.com/2013/may/21/nation/la-na-nn-oklahoma-tornado-injuries-20130521, http://adayinthedisaster.blogspot.com/2015/03/book-review-what-stands-in-storm-three.html, http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/watchdog/chi-0412070129dec07-story.html#page=1, Hail inside Alamodome delays TX Girls Basketball Semifinal. Boots because if a tornado does come. I was raised in tornado ally where drinking beer and going out to spot tornados was considered a recreational activity. Here, we have cyclones and we get a lot of warning of their approach. I pray for the poor souls who were killed in this horrific storm. There was nothing left but the concrete foundation, even plumbing was pulled out of the concrete. The funnel emerges from a featureless cloud base with no parent circulation overhead - lazy storm structure modeling. It explains what a tropical cyclone is. Raby said. currently working on a unbias way to rate tornadoes , using calculation , for now the top look like this, 1:smiithville 2011 (Fast speed made it higher), 3:philadelphia 2011 (Fast speed made it higher (however mostly by one spot)), 4:bridge creek 1999 (just got new info to put it higher.