It is a pity that in this country, health care should fall on the shoulders of an employer or the employee. As for the FA's..they will definitely be lined up around the block for a job like this with those benies. I knew one guy that slept in the crew lounge and wandered DEN between trips. Its their choice. Need to use the Robinhood model where PAX fly free or get paid to fly, in exchange for all of their data / information which can be sold for revenue generation. There have been several regionals that have gone under recently which have temporarily flooded the market with pilots. I will make $15-20 per hour for my hard work on average when you figure all the work we do for free. We are in search of the best and the brightest to join our dynamic team of aviation and people enthusiasts. If the pay is off the mark, the marketplace will correct this soon enough: pilots have options, and they know it. High Flex. the recruiters told me: *No insurance provided. . Profitability is how many dollars you make your investors, i.e. Ahead of the launch, Forbes has an interesting story about the airline, after having spent some time with founder David Neeleman. maximum takeoff weight), Must have 500 hours of PIC in large, Group II transport category aircraft (turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 lbs. I'm a 'union guy' for sure. Does New Carrier Breeze Airways Pay Pilots Enough. In the end I wish people would stop looking at every opportunity through their own eyes and realize that not every job has to be a union job or a job with all the perks of a career. While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. And the US would have PRETTY PLEASANT FRIENDLY SKIES again. The end result will be lesser pilots and more accidents in the future. Nah man, cars suck. sarah nelson & its lazy fugly union peeps should meet north korean & fat Kims firing squads. I can just imagine the sick calls on the weekends. But lets say you have a couple of days off. 35 developed countries around the world have better healthcare than the USA and many of them don't leave their citizens without a safety net. They understand that our pursuit of Excellence is not a destination, but rather, a journey. In fact, the concept seems brilliant and hope I make it through the process and get selected. Right now I believe there are more pilots than are needed. Pilots are incredibly overpaid as it is. 100% Upvoted. My regional airline was a casualty of covid and Breeze seems like a great fit for someone like myself. Thread starter aisleguy; Start date Mar 22, 2022; A. aisleguy Well-Known Member. It gets so tiresome. "fun little add-ons" er surely time-consuming adverts interrupting one's day asking one to pay for something high quality airlines provide as part of their price. This might work at Breeze for now given the state of the airline industry, but somethings gotta give over time here. And if I had a time machine I would go back and slap, poor, poor me silly and tell me to redirect my attention to the unlimited opportunities that were sitting right in front of me every day I drove across the lake and clocked into work. Therefor your flight attendant is going to be exhausted/probably not happy and definitely not rested enough to perform optimally in an emergency. As the app is described: That app, Neeleman says, is designed to convince customers to shell out for upgrades and extras, from food to rental cars, which Breeze is depending on to turn a profit. The airline is hiring both pilots and flight attendants, given that its close to launching operations. David Neeleman, the founder of Breeze Airways, also started JetBlue not too long ago, but the pilot payscale for both companies is quite different. Our normal business hours are Monday-Friday 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. (Pacific Time). An economy and society needs its worker bees as much as (more than?) I will never fly them, nor will I encourage anyone to work for them or fly them, until they pay real, market rates. Feel sorry for the FAs but this guy could be either a genius or just throwing at the wall to see what sticks. 14% below the national average Job openings matching Flight Attendant in Breeze Airways Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time BDL Hartford, CT 30+ days ago Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time ORF 3) People as interns/college kids: I would like to have a job for life. I will be marching tomorrow on May Day for an egalitarian communist revolution with hundreds of myvworking class comrades in Brooklyn. There will be scheduled 1% pay raises on September 15, 2023, and September 15, 2024. At least here they will learn something. This number represents the median, which is the midpoint of the ranges from our proprietary Total Pay Estimate model and based on salaries collected from our users. may be it is totally moronic. All around me were developers making millions of dollars of year in salary and stock options, and there was little old me, paid hourly making about $28,000 a year in an expensive city. And you're worried about the quality of housing? Can the U.S. not have just one decent, heck even mediocre, airline? A huge percentage of new flight attendants leave within the first year. Flight Attendants are hired because they are qualified to provide safety & service. As far as "part-time", pilots are "at work" 300 to 400 hours per month in order to fly 80 hours. I interviewed with them for cabin crew You must be enrolled at Utah Valley University full-time and maintain 3.0 GPA. Learn about Breeze Airways culture, salaries, benefits, work-life balance, management, job security, and more. Because it is an opportunity to teach them the skills to land a career or job that they would not have otherwise had a chance for. Or the app crashing? You don't get any insurances. Expect this trend to accelerate in the next 3-5 years. 1. Lots of opinion injected here but believe me they do not have a shortage of applications. These comments are something else. Sounds like 4 years of indentured servitude! Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim. Many may not have developed interactional skills with customers (passengers) and feel this job can help teach them that skill. This arrogant capitalist needs to be forced to live in poverty too. Guess which days you're going to be working? NGPA Expo - February 9-10 in PSP Booth 525, Women in Aviation - February 23-25 in LGB - Booth 549, TPNx April 21-22 in MCO, Currently hiring E190/195 and A220 First Officers, E190/195 Captains, and Australian Pilots that hold or have previously held an E-3 visa, New hire classes every month for the E190/195 and A220, Scheduled passenger service on the E190/195 flying consists of day trips (no overnights) with limited flying on Tuesday and Wednesday, Charter business is very robust on the E190/195 Charter flights may operate any day of the week, A220 operates a traditional schedule 7 days per week, Significant growth and expansion planned over the next 5 years, Breeze flies to 30+ cities from coast to coast, Eight A220s delivered as of August 2022 - 73 more to be delivered and options for 40 more, Ejet fleet projected to grow to 30 by 2025, A220 fleet is projected to grow to nearly 60 by the end of 2025, A new training center opened in SLC with one E190/195 simulator and one A220 simulator, $200 million in funding was raised in August of 2021. They are not hired to be sex symbols and keep men sexually entertained through out the flight; therefore, I could care less how old you are as long as you can save my life in the event of an emergency. That rate of pay is so low and that availability schedule requires so much flexibility that I have to imagine he isn't targeting primarily college students, who have class schedules to contend with, but high school graduates and GED holders up through their early 20s. No Per Diem. Guess if you cannot beat them, whisper sweet anti-mormon cult. Not sure if labor pool for whom the model fits is really large enough to support high turnover baked into the model or can support scale to provide regular flight frequency but we'll see. Pilots are guaranteed pay of $75 per month. Do you see 50 yo or 70 yo lifeguards on the beach? Close. The comments about this airline attracting the bottom of the barrel are unfair considering the circumstances. And before some smart guy points out to me that money is the reason for business, think back to business 101 golden ruletreat your employees the way youd like to be treated, and they will go above and beyond to make YOU more money. Joined APC: Jan 2006. 1) Why not schedule surgery with a "doctor as an intern.?". Breeze Airways is a new airline that's expected to launch in the US in early 2021. I'm sure Breeze will find plenty of young, naive college students who sign up for this, not realizing what they are getting themselves into. It is obvious that ,"Your Highness" doesn't appreciate the one class of employees that can encourage repeat business - because flight attendants are the ONLY employees that have a constant interaction with customers. 2) Free Travel! It's quite likely that Breeze wants the low minimum guarantee of 55 so that they can shrink their capacity in the low-demand months without paying pilots to sit. Could happen. Not exclusively, but the idea of a University education is as much participating in a community of students as it is sitting in classrooms. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. These numbers are minimums. I think a lot of Airlines would be happy to have the pilots at 55 instead of 75. So theyre going to get experienced pilots (somewhat), that are already typed, with 1K hrs of 121 time (most likely), not have to pay initial or differences training for them, then pay them sh. *No insurance provided. If a pilot gets into a successful start up, the long term benefit to quality of life could be substantial and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. So a lifelong career. Breeze initially only hired flight attendants who didn't have college degrees, so that they could enroll in an online university and live in company housing, getting paid only $1,200 per month; when the airline didn't get enough interest there, Breeze started hiring part-time flight attendants Either talk about what JBs starting rates were when they launched or write this article in 5 years and Ill think differently. Since most flight attendants are women - it also shows how Neeleman views females. Add to that COVID and these poor guys will have NO CHOICE but to fly for these asshats. Grumpy old man can be Ebenezer Scrooge. The airline is expected to start selling tickets any day now, and I know many of us are curious about what the Salt Lake City-based carriers first routes will be. That would make for some interesting competition to Southwest. This has been the business model of little outfits like this for 30 years. Minimum wage in Utah is $7.25/hr and cost of living there is pretty low. Even the ME3 flight attendants start on a salary of around $3,000 per month plus housing and that is tax-free. Let's seean airline you interact with almost completely on an app staffed by young folks with no vested interest in the company or it's success.what could possibly go wrong? The pay is horrifically low, though. It's silly to ape outrage when we don't know a lot of the details of the actual work and schedule. Launching an airline carrier during a pandemic when aviation losses are in the billions, seems to be a tricky business proposition. The sharpest students looking for a college education do not choose online learning only from a second-tier state school. The experience and skillset I got at that first job enabled me to quickly move into work paying many multiples of that first internship-like position. People may weigh each differently but those are the top three for nearly all travelers. 2. But after all these furloughed guys get hired, who then? I think these "internships" are not meant for people looking at a career as a flight attendant, but rather college age kids looking for a unique experience. As in, Gompers? 3.Enough may feel that this is just fine for 1-2 years. Be honest. Many young girls and guys want to be a flight attendant from 20-65 or older. An airline that keeps harassing me with upsell offers on my purchase? And, it's not clear if they get health insurance as part-time employees. I would have jumped at this deal in college. The significant wage difference may be in anticipation of the economic recovery process ahead. I am sure they expect this, but will like to see what happens. Hey. The role of flight attendant will be more like an internship than a career, because Neeleman believes flight attendants dont improve much with years of experience, and that they can get trapped in a dead-end job due to the seniority system we see at other airlines: Its not something politically correct but its something David wholeheartedly believes in, says Trey Urbahn, a Breeze board member whos worked with Neeleman at several of his other airlines. So, before any taxes at all, they would be looking at $20-30/hr. Do public transportation and see the sites that are free. Not discussed here is the difference between flight hours and duty day. The new carrier, founded by serial aviation entrepreneur David Neeleman first teased the idea, code-named Moxy, in mid-2018. I think the deal is too good to be true while others think it's chump change and will never work. El Segundo, CA 90245. Because expanding the monthly rate to 75+ is done so much easier and instant, than hirring another 200 pilots or so. I'll work my fingers to the bone as an intern but a stipend of $1,200 a month won't go far with a medical emergency. Are they also going to have INTERN PILOTS to fuel this business plan? And I agree with the fellow poster RE: all very young kids, limited work experience not what Id want in an emergency. Your feedback is important in helping us keep our community safe. Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month, Wants To Ding Your Credit Card Ben Schlappig Published: April 29, 2021 Updated: August 12, 2022 99 With Avelo Airlines having launched operations yesterday, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup to begin flying. The offered wages are above-average ates in the United States. He couldn't pay me $1200 to fly them for a month. Maybe 3 hours. I'm not sure anything this post really supports the hypothesis that they're underpaid. Our fares are low! Maybe it really is a part-time gig and would be a good fit for a great many people. Get real. Pros - quick getting on plane and sitting down, a few empty seats, very fast getting luggage back to you Cons - You have to pay extra for any seat you choose. I'm willing to bet that they will start service to Tampa. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); My neighbor is in this program. Well what about Maintenance. The estimated salary at Breeze Airways ranges from approximately $14,500 per year for Team Leader to $150,907 per year for Director.. There's a lot of old pilots - is Neeleman hiring them because of their looks, or because they know how to fly a plane? This isnt a job, its servitude by hopeless people who have been abandoned by their government and economic system. Even liberal-minded folks who support workers grow to hate the rhetoric surrounding unions and union actions. How much do Breeze Airways employees make? Wont fly them with this info. I am not necessarily rooting for him, since it depends on how happy employees are, but I think he and his outline of the new airline model have potential for spectacular success, regardless. Neeleman is no doubt a bright guy, having founded several airlines, including JetBlue. Kinda like this site makes money signing people up for credit cards. I have worked with underpaid and undermotivated staff, and it s not pretty: for the staff, the management, the investors and the customers. ", but I actually challenge you to schedule surgery with a doctor with only a GED. Guest Service Plan. The concept does turn on to be "too good to be true" at least for me, just based on the insurance matter alone. It's silly to ape outrage when we don't know a lot of the details of the actual work and schedule. Generous contracts of yesteryear reflect a pre-COVID world that is nothing like the current situation. I could have worked for the also defunct Pilgrim Airlines. You don't get any insurances. Im a retired AA captain. A job that solves the problem of housing takes an enormous number of costs away from young people, and the "$1200 salary" needs to be evaluated in that context.