That is what saved believers have always believed, because that is what the New Testament which is Gods Word to man says. Because of persecution by the Anglican church of all who disagreed with it and who refused to agree to its authority, John Smyth had to flee England. The Scripture: It is entirely inerrant and sufficient for all Christian life. 4 Reasons Christians Are Wrong About Homosexuality, 63. It is well to note that not all Virginians felt this way. I think Calvary Chapel churches are great. We are not under law, but under grace. First I would disagree that The Church of Christ teaches first century, new testament doctrine. The tourists and the police finally separated after hundreds of dollars changed hands. List your KJV Bible Believing Church for FREE! NOT ONE. Shortly after that, Williams withdrew from the church and became what he called a seeker. History does not record why he would not identify himself as a Baptist. Greg, . He did not fail to share truth although He was not yet crucifiedso likewise I argue that since He said it should not have been left undoneHe meant what He says as He shared the fuller meaning I believe of the Laws. Follow us on Pinterest: Independent Baptist Churches is a subsite of IndependentBaptist.com. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards Thou shalt obey the pastor at all times Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman Thou shalt obey your parents at all times with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. I really dont know how to describe it. He records that five hundred others who were identified as Anabaptists were also killed in England during this period. Lynne, These distinctives are the distinctives taught in Bible which constitute a true New Testament church. 16:18, concerning preserving the institution of the local church, that even the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Doctrinally sound New Testament churches have always existed from the time of Christ and the Apostles until today. Furthermore I believe it involved religion. Our lives reflect the light of Christ. To distinguish oneself from every other believer in the Body of Christ by either a doctrine, a practice, or a person is not scriptural, as the apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians. Whether these groups of believers called themselves Baptists or not, if they were doctrinally pure, following the New Testament for their faith and practice they were New Testament churches and thus they can be called Baptistic. Showing 1-20 of 633 church listings. It is not historically correct to identify Baptists as Catholic protestors who left the Roman church. watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it But I also would agree that just about every other Church denomination has strict dress standards as well. These churches were missions minded and formed schools to train preachers and missionaries. He refused to wear the robes of his church office, and refused to let unsaved people take the Lords Supper. Its the phraseology itself that one calls into question as being logical or illogical. 71 N., De Queen, Arkansas 71832, United States of America DeQueen Flag Listing Claim This Listing Arbanna Baptist Church Something else to note here, what were they tithing? Bob Just want to commend you on how clearly you are able to elucidate on a given topic, Im envious. Again adhering to correct doctrine and proper practices should be the focus in our lives. I also believe that hanging around with non-Christians is detrimental to ones faith as I have done this. PASTOR JOE MINNERUP. Don't expect anything contemporary or liberal. I have transferred schools and since then Ive had to find a new church. this is a great book research on cultist church There is every value in appealing only to present adherence to the New Testament as ones sole authority for faith and practice. God has not entrusted that authority to impart salvation to any man or church. 2. Would you agree with me on this? How can you not see that? But this issue is just another one that the IFBs get wrong, worrying themselves over externals as opposed to the internals. Since she has a place of her own now I dont see her as much as I like but I wont shun her because she left. We are an old-fashioned, independent, fundamental, King James Bible only, soul-winning Baptist church. Im trying to figure out if it was worse of me for not using scripture to answer your question, which btw is not a question that required scripture, or yanking a handful of verses completely out of context as you did. But rather than ordaining ourselves mini-Holy Spirits we need to be faithful in our teaching, we need to teach repentance, and we need to leave the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement to Almighty God. 3:8-13) are appointed from the local congregation and approved by the majority vote. I agree! What does this have to do with our discussion? You CANNOT be loving either if you are refusing to render unto the Lord that which is his, and this includes tithing. Pagan temples became the meetinghouses for Christians. Rome, then hired unregenerate pagan priests as Christian ministers. Robert Fry - Pastor of Bible Baptist Church in Plattsburgh, NY Deception; 75. He preserved His word and the Word preserved a true Gospel witness during every moment of history since Pentecost. I was always told ten percent and thats I give for the most part unless I cant afford it in which case I give what I can. Ok how about some peace Blessed are the peacemakers I apologize for my abrasive writing style and did not purposely write to offend you, but make no mistake, someone can be dunked until they know every minnow by name, but that doesnt make them saved. I think any Christian should be allowed to wear what they want. Some Baptists such as the Landmark Baptist and those often referred to as We believe that Jesus is the only one who can reconcile us to God. VICTORY BAPTIST CHURCH. The Independent Baptist believes that to join with churches who teach and practice false doctrine is condone and even show approval of Biblical error and that all doctrinal error is sin. I would directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct. Updates? It stands for devotion and a strict obedience to God and his commandments. You should tithe, but if you dont thats between you and the Lord. All but seven were above the Mason-Dixon line. Even the Roman Catholic Church which boasts of his unbroken history cannot prove an unbroken line of churches earlier than the Third Century, and what Catholicism teaches today in no way resembles what the New Testament teaches or what the early churches believed and practiced. Oopsin 1st paragraphh in one sentence I actually meant something more like this: the Law is fullfillednow we can truly do good works that are pleasing to the Lord for the sins are washed away with & following the Law to make us right, which it never could but only point to our need for redemption, is fullfilled. 2 . We never shun people who leave the church. The faulty logic here comes from not paying attention to the Scripture. They are worlds apart. This kind of power is frightening to meet with. Reasons for NOT Accepting the KJV as Gods Preserved Word A response to Pastor James Melton, 71. For my part, I will continue to preach the Gospel and to teach the Word faithfully. It is surely an affront to any historically informed Baptist identify him by the name of a group that has so hated and persecuted them down throughout history. Not just the New Testament. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception. I assume you are referring to the errant position that many Pastors, Deacons, or Elders have taken placing themselves between God & Man. Later in history, around 600 AD, Austin, Catholic monk, was sent to Britain by Pope Gregory the Great. Member churches are forbidden to affiliate with any denomination, and the fellowship, administered by annually elected trustees, cannot organize itself as a denomination. The first Baptist church in New York was started by William Wichendon, in 1656. But we need YOUR help to make this project successful! One Baptist church, however, did begin after 1714, in Surry Country, and another at Burleigh, Virginia. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. Further, suppose that a Bible somehow was to fall from the plane and the inhabitants of this isolated land were to be able to pick up that Bible and read the text for themselves. I have done my share of research on what defines a cult and unless Im missing something, we dont qualify as a such. In fact, no church on earth can make that claim. I loved what you said about knowing the nature of God. In answer your assumptions about me. I would agree with this. I meant to say that I agree that the IFB has strict dress standards. Modern church history is irrelevant, not only to our topic but to us in general. It bases its belief in the New Testament teaching that every believer is a priest to himself, having full excess to God without the need to go through a church, church leader or priest. It lead me down a road that took me farther away from God rather than closer. I know of no place in scripture where a tithe is ever money! Northwest Bible Baptist Church is an old-fashioned, independent, fundamental Baptist church in Elgin, IL that believes, preaches, and practices the Bible. When it's Time To Leave Thoughts on Breaking Away, 73. The Calvinistic or Particular Baptists were a different group and believed in limited atonement in which only the elect could be saved. Typically they take the following verse an stretched it like a balloon: From http://procinwarn.com/ccclergy.htm: Most people do not realize that Calvary Chapel church organizations are not, themselves, affiliated with the original Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California. I believe the all scripture is given. passage to include the Old Testament, too. I do not agree with the IFB on their viewpoint of strict dress standards. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. Shortly after the Church of England fell from grace when the English monarch was overthrown and the Presbyterians became the favored church of the state. I am not in favor of tactics that play on peoples emotions so as to secure a visible result. This free resource is here to help you find an independent Baptist church in your area or while traveling. Even the enemies of the Baptists openly recognize their zeal for the Word of God. The Independent Fundamental Baptist church could be defined as a cult given the multiple definitions of a cult and the characteristics of the IFB. He returned to Salem where he was summoned before the court in Boston because of his outspoken beliefs and was banished from the colony. In fact, I have no close friends that attend the same church as me. Tithing is still a required act in obedience just like loving the Lord thy God and loving thy neighbor as thyself is. Hope this clears up some confusion. True New Testament Christians have always rejected such unbiblical ideas. Thus, resolving to follow the Lords commands in truth, in March, 1639 he formed the first Baptist church on American soil. Lynne, why is tithing so important to you anyway? So the the issue is that there has to be a Biblical standard for dress. (II Peter 1:20) Baptist believe you do not have to be a Baptist in order to be saved and have eternal life, but a person must believe the Gospel as revealed in the New Testament. When I told my Church of Christ neighbor that the Scripture tells us to worship God with musical instruments, she said Thats Old Testament, but in the New Testament it says to sing, making melody in your heart to the Lord. And she said that means that your vocal chords are the instrument. These are the distinctives which separate Baptists from all Protestants, any organized church or Christian cult. Mark 7:7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Greg all churches that suppoort Tithing as a good thing (incl IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, Many Non-Denominational Chruches,etc) Tithe a Tenth of thier income to building Gods Kingdom. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. What we believe at Fundamental Baptist Church about Jesus, the Bible, and the Church. Fundamental Baptist use the name in its strictest sense as meaning holding to the fundamentals of the New Testament teachings without error. WHEN AND WHERE WAS THE FIRST RECORDED BAPTIST CHURCH IN HISTORY. 451 Likes, 8 Comments - Spencer Smith (@spencersmith312) on Instagram: "I was saved at 18 at an independent, fundamental baptist church. Ok, so Im pretty sure you are referring to the Church of Christ that was founded by good ol Thomas Campbell (1763-1854) He was a fine Scottish Presbyterian who left Ireland to come to western PA. in 1807. The idea the bread and wine (grape juice) in the Lords Supper becoming the physical body of Christ when taken is a Roman Catholic teaching that Protestants only changed slightly. King James (KJV) Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches in Arkansas. In my civilian life..and please do pray for our military..I am very honored to serve as Senior Pastor of Coral Ridge in Jacksonville (FL). They left these churches because of their strong conviction the Word of God should not be compromised. Those soldiers they so casually curse gave their life so that these wannabe BLM or ANTIFA buttinskies could spew their hate at those who defended their freedoms. The bulk of your comments were about the historical background of the Church of Christ movement. In 1638, Williams made his way to what is now Providence, Rhode Island, and there bought some land from the Indians. It is a historic fact the first Baptist church in America was founded by another Baptist congregation. This group is to help Pastors locate KJV IFB Churches. Any professed church that does not recognize these is Apsotasy & not the Church. KJB,UNAFFILIATED. Thanks and may God bless. http://www.av1611.org/ this web site is dial-the-truth ministries, but I call them dial-the-. , Oak Harbor, Washington 98277) Under the Roman Catholic influence these missionary centers diverged into monasticism. The line of English churches that can be traced, who called themselves Baptists, began in 1610 in Holland. Thanks for any love shown but what you just did Kaatie was take a few lines I wrote and placed them within your own ideaand that is know as taking something out of context . It was founded because some saved men believed the Bible and wanted to follow the New Testament example of what a true church should be. He said from the pulpit, No one ever asked me if I was a Christian while out in public! Im thinking thats not a good thing. No new testament christian anywhere in scripture, that I know of, is compelled to give a tithe. mint, rue and all manner of herbs all agricultural products from the land. These churches remained sound in doctrine and practicing the faith of the New Testament. You stated that all churches tithe a certain way and used that fact to justify a way of thinking. It originally applied through the 1700s to Lutherans, and Anglicans. Baptists have always been the champions of the Word of God and preaching of the Gospel. In reference to the quote you took it wasi n explanation in regards to another point poised regarding tithing a tenth of income vs. actual agriculture and/or stock as the Jews did back thenand it was in a common sense response to the rhetoric regarding why tithe a tenth of income vs possesions being sold, etc is done by most churche sin Usa & other developed nations. Bob So true, the subject that I simply couldnt justify (there were several) with my old fundy churchs teaching with scripture, was tithing. Baptists Briders, infer they can trace their history back to John the Baptist who was the first Baptist. I believe that the Bible is clear on what is modest apparel. So I wonder again is this God desire or your thing? I made a very similar forgiveness plea on facebook just yesterday, asking all to forgive me if I had ever legalistically stepped on them. I request any comment left to me is free of insults and vulgarities, please). (My family moved alot when I was a child, and Ive attended 7 different IFB churches in 4 different statesnot all of them are same, but my current one for the last 10 years is great), I had a long response here, but I received and error. http://www.wvec.com/news/local/INSIDE-A-NAKED-CHURCH-85062392.html. Baptist continued to grow in numbers through the period of the Great Awakening and up to the time of the Revolutionary War. Rachael God bless you!! He then baptized himself (which is not biblical) and then the others of his congregation. A response to Pastor James Meltons Questions for the KJV Critics, 69. If you want to be under law, you need to keep all 613 commandments of the Mosaic law. It is often said that the Protestant Reformation had both a formal cause and a material cause. Its is true that many Baptists left the ranks of Protestant churches which were doctrinal unsound and apostate. The first Baptist church on American soil was a direct result of the Puritan persecution of true New Testament believers. They would probably be allowed in this Church though called Ivor Church: It is my conviction that this is contrary to the very foundation of what is a true New Testament church. No tithing is not mandated, no good work is..just as no good work can save us. The bible says Let God be true and every man a liar So follow the Word and you will never be led astray. What gets my goat on this style of preaching is that as much as these baptists act as though they follow nothing but the scripture, it seems they dont read it or study it much. Our pastor has NEVER once insinuated that the church ought to obey him. This is whats known as the Argumentum ad populum fallacy. They practice the Biblical teachings of separation as stated in Ephesians 5:11, which says, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For instance, if I was regularly wearing a swim suit or Scooby Doo costume to any Church I would probably be asked to Change into something more appropriate. My statement about folks not studying and just sitting in the pew and listening to the MOG, was not addressed to you specifically, but to folks generally, you wouldnt agree to this? 1) strict adherence to one version of the bible But wouldnt Paul himself, or the original church to whom the letter was sent, count as outside authority and control? (David Benedict, A General History of the Baptist Denomination in American, and Other Parts of the World, London: Lincoln and Edmands, Nr. 5.) Also, I support tithing personally. Any idiot can do that. No, we are to teach and preach the Word. The old testement tithes went to the Levite priests to support them (Numbers 18). That saintly old woman in the pew may be depending upon her infant baptism to get her to heaven. Today there are at least a hundred different groups which all themselves Baptist. Many of these churches have conflicting beliefs and practices. Here is the Scripture Im refering to: In Luke 11:42 he says, But woe to you Pharisees! 53, Cornhill, 1813, Fundamental Baptist CD ROM Library, 1701 Harns Rd. Proverbs 21:24, Proud and haughty scorner is his name, who dealeth in proud wrath. 8.) I think that point was already addressed. INDEPENDENT This simply means that the church stands alone, free of any governing denomination, convention or council. I only know of two. -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? Other churches founded in New England and in the Middle colonies were the actual mother churches of modern Baptist churches as these churches were responsible for starting other churches. Secondly, they believe in a clergy/laity distinction by ordaining so-called Pastors. This is not found in scripture. Im sure you realize all this, but I thought I would throw my voice in it. Some years ago when I was attempting to find another church for my family to attend so as to escape a spiritually abusive IFB, I found myself at a Church of Christ that had split from the large COC in town. If I was wearing a sponge Bob square pants costume while leading worship I would probably be asked to change into something more appropriate. These churches appear to have been baptistic and remained sound until Austin, the Catholic monk brought Catholicism to the Isles in 597 AD. These true Baptists added the adjectives Fundamental and Independent to their name in order that they not be identified with the false practices and teaching of the doctrinally unsound churches using the Baptist name. Its not that I wouldnt want to give to bothbut if I only have 30 dollars; Id rather give to feed, clothe, house & most of all share the Gospel vs just feed, clothe & housed. Many Baptist churches have Trustees, but their position was established in order to have legal signatories to sign legal documents of the church. So far newere at IFB church (if is is refered to as one by a IFB site think) & has not as far as I know been told must. The message is set. ), and maybe even stand up and shout if the Lord really touches their heart, Sorry that you had a bad experience, but not all IFB churches are alike, and mine is great! Thank you for visiting Fundamental.org Home to the KJV Church directory! Churches dont have the right to make rules about dress apart from Scriptural guidelines and principles. 3.) That godly Deacon, so righteous on the outside, may have deep dark unrepentant sins no one know about. Being to poor to pay the fines he was banished from the colony. It is in fact Gods Word in 17th century english. I hear a lot that the IFB has strict dress standards. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. The charge recorded against him was that he broached and divulged new and dangerous opinions against the authority of the magistrates. I hope you can forgive me for perpetuating those stumbling blocks. A prime example of the dangers of belonging to a convention is seen in the apostate Southern Baptist Convention. 78. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright . Share this: Thus, history and the doctrines of Protestantism clearly show that Baptists are not Protestants. It was not the man who founded the church that was important, but the New Testament principles on which he founded this church. Some of his former congregation in Salem joined him and they set up a colony. Hah Im really the only reply to this incredible read?! My responsibility is to preach the Word. Assistant Pastor of Fellowship Baptist Church in Watertown, WI since 2017. Though we no longer keep the ritual and sacramental law, Gods moral laws and prophesies of things yet to come are not to be ignored. The New Testament teaches that Christ is the head of the church,(Eph. His resources are free from this sight. Join us for lively old-fashioned singing, fellowship, (and yes!) Even if a church blows the interpretation of verses like this and sets up what you refer to as a hierarchy, I feel you are in error to claim that God has no party with them, see for reference the 7 churches in Revelation which had great things going for them, but Christ had to deal with their errors. -How do you determine whether or not a church teaches or practices false doctrine? Thank you for writing back. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception - Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination Welcome to BaptistDeception.com Edit Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. Even some TV evangelists have referred to themselves as being fundamentalist. The Puritans did not believe in such things and they drove him from their colony. In what areas? Clearly, he was banished because he believed in religious freedom and believed and taught the New Testament was a believers sole source for his faith and practice. Member churches are forbidden to affiliate with any denomination, and the fellowship, administered by annually elected trustees, cannot . This is the largest christian gathering in the U.S. attracting more than 100,000 last year. You cannot read psalms w/out seeing those raised hands. adhering to correct doctrine and proper practices should be the focus in our lives. // ]]> Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception, 42. Filter Churches. The point is the name Baptist in the beginning was used to designate a true New Testament assembly that was biblically sound. Everyone in the colony was automatically a member of the State church and were taxed to support it. One of the most unsettling things to experience is dealing with corruption in power. History records the members of this Baptist church went back to England or remained in Holland and joined Mennonites. That shows your lack of emotional maturity. amzn_assoc_placement = "adunit0"; amzn_assoc_tracking_id = "lifewaymarket-20"; amzn_assoc_ad_mode = "manual"; amzn_assoc_ad_type = "smart"; amzn_assoc_marketplace = "amazon"; amzn_assoc_region = "US"; amzn_assoc_linkid = "7e0c08952d33ff8dd3379356ab6731f1"; amzn_assoc_asins = "1479180297,B00A4SKJXG,1250026261,0830816607,0809134888,0884197689,B00X531UN0,0877888256,0764205374"; amzn_assoc_title = "BaptistDeception.com Book Club Picks"; 4.) @greg Really!! They submit a request to become affiliated and then are supplied with a form to fill out. Also, and Im not sure how to word this question properly, but during the building of the original NT church as described in Acts and further in the rest of the NT, wouldnt they have had to subscribe to some form of outside authority and control in order for the church to be formed?